What would happen if it is kept wrapped for too long?

Hi Elsie, Thank you for your question. None of our mattresses can be rolled - as there is so much in them- so only foam mattresses can be rolled and even then there is a limit to the time they can stay rolled in our experience before damage occurs. The mattress enters a big roller which crushes the air out of the foam reducing its <a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/mattress-sizes/" title="size">size</a> drastically, putting it under stress it is then sealed in a bag, usually heat sealed, and then boxed. It means that a normally large sized <a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product-category/mattresses/" title="mattress" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">mattress</a> can be reduced to fit more on a lorry and make delivery easier for the customer. However, these mattresses are under great stress when in this position. They want to return to their regular shape and are constrained. Foam can tear, springs can deform and fabric can become stretched and rippled when you unroll them. <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/boxed-mattress-v2-e1473693610850.png" alt="boxed mattress v2" /> A very long time ago now, we trialled rolling a sample Hybrid foam mattress, mainly to see what happened. We were given assurances by suppliers of the machinery that can crush and roll mattresses, that it was fine to do so. There is a time limit of around 6 weeks and after that, the mattress is usually showing some form of stress or damage. However, after 6 weeks we unrolled our two samples. One was Hybrid foam layered up, the other was a <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/what-are-encapsulated-pocket-<a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-spring-mattress-guide/" title="spring">spring</a>s-2/">FEPS spring unit</a> with a hybrid foam layer. I hope this assists but please do not hesitate to contact our office should you require further information or advice on 0161 437 4419. Kind regards Julie

Hi,We recently purchased an emma mattress, my partner and I are now suffering from lower back pain first thing in a morning. We then returned the lower priced emma mattress and bought the premium one. We are having the same issue.Emma mattresses have not been very accommodating either so we are thinking of returning this one and getting a better mattress. Should we be paying more for a mattress and should we stay away from <a class="wpil_keyword_link " title="memory foam" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/memory-foam-2/" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">memory foam</a>?Thanks,Mandy

Hi Mandy,Thanks for your question about your Emma mattress causing a bad back. We get asked this a lot from sleepers who simply do not get on with Emma mattresses.The issue with foam beds and bad backs:The main issue we encounter with Emma beds is that their dense <a title="memory foam" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/memory-foam-2/">memory foam</a> and other synthetic foams can be too firm for some sleepers. This is because these bed in a <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/question/emma-mattress-too-hot-sweaty-whats-the-best-natural-fibre-replacement-mattress/">box bed companies like Emma all use foams which are super slow to react, </a>Great for that slow sink feeling, but not so great when you need to turn and move in the night.This can lead the Emma <a title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/tempur-<a class=">mattress</a> to hold you in uncomfortable positions during the night, or in some cases offer too much support. Meaning your body is held in an awkward position. <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/suffering-with-back-pain.jpg" /> Memory foams are the same density across the mattress meaning that pressure points like hips, shoulders and backs are having to force the most pressure on the bed to sink in whereas other body parts sit on the surface. This is fine for heavier sleepers but for lighter sleepers and side sleepers in particular it can lead to bad backs and sore shoulders each morning.Heat with foam mattresses:The other issue with these mattresses is that they often retain far more heat than their natural fibre counterparts. This is because memory foam and next-gen foams are nearly always vasco elastic meaning they need and retain heat to mould This is why they feel cold at first and then warm up during the night as you sink into them. Great for cold sleepers but they can cause issue with warmer sleepers or cause excess heat during the night.This hot sleeping can lead people to discomfort and constant movement during the night that can also cause a <a title="bad back" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/whats-the-best-mattress-for-a-bad-back/">bad back</a> with all that restless wiggling!The lifespan of an Emma mattress:There is also debate with these one sided mattresses as to the longevity of the Emma mattress. Given that traditional mattresses are always 2-sided so you can turn and rotate. These box mattresses are 1-sided meaning you're always sleeping on the same side each night.Meaning all the wear and tear is on one side meaning settlement will happen far sooner than a two sided mattress. <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/shop/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Bed-with-yellow-cussions.jpg" /></a> You need to take this <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/the-no-turn-mattress-scam/">one sided issue (which we've written about extensively here)</a> into account when planning on how much to spend on a new mattress. Especially if the price of it is getting close to or above the price of a decent 2 sided mattress!What mattress to replace an Emma mattress?If you want to look at one of the coolest natural fibre mattresses then take a look at our <a title="Artisan Naturals" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/artisan-naturals/">Artisan Naturals</a> mattress which is 85% natural and unlike all foam or memory foam boxed mattresses is 2 sided and uses calico encased pocket springs.<a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/artisan-naturals/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Artisan15000011-wide.jpg" /></a> <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/artisan-naturals/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Artisan-Naturals-min.png" /></a> Artisan Naturals Mattress 1:1200GSM BLENDED BRITISH FLEECE WOOL AND COTTON 2: HAIRPROOF CAMBRIC COVER 3: 1250GSM REBOUND POLY COTTON 4: 1500GSM 100% PURE MOHAIR 5: 1600 <a title="CALICO" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-spring-mattress-guide/">CALICO</a> ENCASED POCKET SPRINGS [49MM ] [1.28MM ] TOTAL: 3950GSM DEPTH: 27-30CM CHEMICAL FREE COVERAll of our mattresses will need turning each month to even out natural settlement.The next alternative for your price point of sub <a title="£1000" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/whats-the-best-1000-mattress/">£1000</a> would be our Origins Pocket 1500 mattress. Again another hand made 2 sided mattress.Our <a title="Origins Pocket 1500" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500/">Origins Pocket 1500</a> mattress is a <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/all-about-mattress-upholstery/">true medium feel in the upholstery layers</a> and is available either as a 1.4 medium 1500 pocket spring support or a 1.6 2000 firm pocket spring support. <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Origins-15000017-1200x800.jpg" /> <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Origins-Pocket-1500_circle-min.png" alt="" /> Origins Pocket 1500 Mattress 1: 300GSM <a title="WOOL" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/wool-as-a-mattress-upholstery-fibre/">WOOL</a> 2: 750GSM VERY SOFT POLYESTER 3: 500GSM POLYESTER PAD 4: ONE INCH FOAM INSULATOR LAYER 5: 1500 SPUN BOND POCKET SPRINGS TOTAL: 1550GSM DEPTH: 30-33CM<img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/John-Ryan-How-Much-Should-I-Spend-on-a-Mattress.png" />https://youtu.be/3-Pno_9qR2MIf you have any more questions Mandy please get back in touch with us on 0161 437 4419. All the best John & Ryan

Hi, I have a bit of a strange situation with regards to wanting advice.So long story short, I have an Emma mattress and it almost stopped me getting lower back pain, however, it's giving me <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/soft-medium-firm-which-is-the-best-mattress-for-back-pain/">upper/ thoracic back pain at night</a>.I'm a <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/front-sleeping-mattress-advice-and-guidance/">stomach sleeper</a> and weight 13 stone, my partner is a side sleeper who weighs 12stone. I've been checking your <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product-category/outlet/">clearance</a> and <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/whats-the-best-mattress-for-750/">wanted advice on a mattress below £700</a>. Could you please recommend anything for that or not?

Hi Luke,Thanks for getting in touch and sorry to hear your <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/question/emma-mattress-too-hot-sweaty-whats-the-best-natural-fibre-replacement-mattress/">Emma mattress</a> is causing your back pain. We get plenty of comments about Emma and other synthetic foam mattresses that are too firm for lighter sleepers which can cause back and shoulder pain in bed during the night. These synthetic foam boxed mattresses are <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/the-no-turn-mattress-scam/">usually only one sided, so the foams and materials used are usually firmer to help prevent settlement</a>.This settlement occurs far faster in one sided mattresses as they can't be turned to even it out. This is one of the <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/will-my-memory-foam-bed-sag-or-dip/">major criticisms of these types of mattress and you can read more on it here</a>.https://youtu.be/D_0ulWzrVeMGiven you're a front sleeper it is more than likely that the <a class="wpil_keyword_link" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product-category/mattresses/" title="mattress" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">mattress</a> doesn't have enough of an initial sink to accommodate your shoulders and chest. Meaning your sleeping with your chest being pushed back and out of alignment with your neck. Especially given the fact the Emma mattress is causing thoracic pain at night. Thoracic back pain is usually caused by slouching, especially at office seated desk jobs.What is sounds like is happening is the mattress comfort layers are too firm and are forcing your back into a slouch position when sleeping on your front. Ie the mattress needs to give a bit more to allow your spine and back to sit comfortably in alignment. Instead, it is pushing back to much against you moving your back out of alignment.This is a major criticism of all boxed foam mattresses which are one size fits all. They are very slow to respond and react, given they are vasco heat retentive <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/memory-foam-mattresses-guide/">man made memory foam </a>(often under the guise of propriety space-age names!). They also offer limited comfort in the top layers compared to say a natural fibre which has a higher loft and is more progressive. As a front sleeper, you need more tailored comfort in the mattress upholstery layer which one size fits all mattresses will fail to address.Best mattress for a stomach sleeper under £700:The best advice for your price point would be our Origins Pocket 1500 hand made mattress in a 1.4 tension pocket spring. It's progressive enough to accommodate a front or side sleeper. At your weight, it will allow more of a soft sink in the very top layer before medium support lower down the upholstery layers. It's also two sided so can be turned and rotated each month to extend the lifespan compared to one sided models.It also has a <a title="wool" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/wool-as-a-mattress-upholstery-fibre/">wool</a> top layer for better breathability during the night so you're not face deep in synthetic memory foam. <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500-mattress-outlet/">There is one currently left in our outlet in a Kingsize you can view here.</a> <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Origins-15000016-e1571745892114.jpg" alt="" /></a> <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Origins-Pocket-1500_circle-min.png" alt="" width="800" height="800" /> Origins Pocket 1500 Mattress 1: 300GSM WOOL 2: 750GSM VERY SOFT POLYESTER 3: 500GSM POLYESTER PAD 4: ONE INCH FOAM INSULATOR LAYER 5: 1500 SPUN BOND POCKET SPRINGS TOTAL: 1550GSM DEPTH 30-33CMhttps://youtu.be/3-Pno_9qR2MWe hope that helps and gives you further <a title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-spring-%3Ca%20class=">mattress</a> buying guidance. If you have any more mattress related questions please get back in touch on <a href="mailto:info@johnryanbydesign.co.uk">info@johnryanbydesign.co.uk</a> or 0161 437 4419.Sleep well John & Ryan

Can I use an Emma mattress on top of a foam mattress on a slat base?

Hi Donna,Thanks for getting in touch about Emma mattresses and what bases they are suitable for.The Emma <a title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/whats-the-best-<a class=">mattress</a> is a 100% synthetic foam and memory foam style one-sided mattress. Sold as a boxed mattress the Emma mattress arrives rolled, crushed and vacuum packed. <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/question/eve-mattress-has-failed-and-is-sagging/">We've discussed the drawbacks and issues with such mattresses here.</a> <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Emma-hybrid-mattress-review-and-comparison-John-Ryan.jpg" /> Image from <a class="wpil_keyword_link " href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/question/emma-mattress-too-hot-sweaty-whats-the-best-natural-fibre-replacement-mattress/" title="emma" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">emma</a>-sleep.co.ukIf the Emma <a title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/what-is-a-pocket-sprung-<a class=">mattress</a> is suitable for your needs ie you're a cold sleeper who doesn't mind the shorter lifespan of a one sided boxed mattress then it could be a good choice if you're on a low budget. The Emma mattress is suitable for most bases but we would advise that you board over the slats before putting the Emma mattress or other foam mattress on such a base.Why? Well, that's because slatted bases with gaps over 2 inches can cause dips and sags with Emma mattresses. This is because the gaps are too far apart and the synthetic foam can then start to bulge between the gaps causing undulations on the top sleeping surface. We always advise boarding over the slats for this, see below.<img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Mattress-Slats-1.jpg" /> We're not sure why you would want to put an Emma mattress on top of another foam or <a title="memory foam" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/memory-foam-2/">memory foam</a> bed. If you're thinking it may address the settlement issues frequently complained about online around Emma and other boxed mattresses, you've be wrong I'm afraid.Putting an Emma mattress onto another mattress to reduce settlement won't work. This is because the Emma mattress is one-sided so all the wear and tear can only occur on that side. If it was 2 sided (which the Emma mattress isn't) then you could turn it over to even out the initial settlement.Sadly you can't do this with these types of boxed foam mattresses. As the Emma bed is made of heat retentive 'memory style vasco foam' and other synthetic foam derivatives <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/blog/why-natural-fibres-are-ideal-for-hot-sleepers/">it's not always suitable for a warmer sleeper.</a> We wouldn't recommend stacking it up on other foam as the bed will just become less and less breathable leading to a really warm uncomfortable nights sleep!Your best bed is to put the Emma mattress on top of <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/mattresses-for-slats-3/">boarded over slats</a> and see if it is too hot for you under their guarantee. If you're looking for a 2 sided breathable alternative to the Emma mattress then have a look at our Origins 1500 hand made mattress here. We also disclose the exact GSM and details unlike Emma and other boxed mattresses which you really need to know<a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/comparison-table/?price=&gsm=&springs=&order="> when trying to compare mattresses.</a> <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Origins-Pocket-1500-Crop-2020.jpg" /></a> <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500/"><img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Origins-Pocket-1500_circle.png" /></a><a title="Origins Pocket 1500" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-pocket-1500/">Origins Pocket 1500</a> Mattress1: 300GSM <a title="WOOL" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/wool-as-a-mattress-upholstery-fibre/">WOOL</a>2: 750GSM VERY SOFT POLYESTER3: 500GSM POLYESTER PAD4: ONE INCH FOAM INSULATOR LAYER5: 1500 SPUN BOND POCKET SPRINGSTOTAL 1550GSMDEPTH 30-33CM https://youtu.be/3-Pno_9qR2MIf you have any more questions please get back in touch with us on 0161 437 4419. All the best John & Ryan

HiI currently have an Emma hybrid mattress that I find quite comfortable and have slept very well on with the exception of waking up in a pile of sweat. I have bought a mattress topper made of 100% wool as I previously had a wool mattress that kept me cool (that mattress ultimately was too firm for me despite being rated as a "medium"). Unfortunately with the <a class="wpil_keyword_link" title="wool" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/wool-as-a-mattress-upholstery-fibre/">wool</a> topper, I am still waking up in a pile of sweat. I am therefore looking for alternative mattresses - what could be comparable to the Emma hybrid (the 2020 version) <a class="wpil_keyword_link" title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product-category/mattresses/" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">mattress</a> but will keep me cool at night? Would you have anything to suggest?

Hi Lyndsi,Thanks for your question about the Emma Hybrid mattress. We're sorry to hear you're one of the people struggling with the heat from your Emma <a title="memory foam" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/memory-foam-2/">memory foam</a> mattress. Sadly there are many people who find these boxed memory foam mattresses turn their bedrooms into an inferno! Just googling memory foam heat issues and you'll see thousands of complaints.The reason for this is the fact that all synthetic foams, in particular vasco elastic like the Emma <a title="mattress" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product-category/mattresses/">mattress</a>, retain and require heat to work. This makes them the <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/all-about-natural-fibres-2/">warmest mattress upholstery fibre</a> so if you're a warmer sleeper they can create a rather uncomfortable nights sleep.Even when you add a more breathable topper such as <a title="wool" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/wool-as-a-mattress-upholstery-fibre/">wool</a> it has little cooling effect. This is because the foam makes up the lion's share of the mattress so a thinner topper has no chance in trying to dissipate the excess heat caused. It may be helpful to have a deeper look inside the <a class="wpil_keyword_link " href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/question/emma-mattress-too-hot-sweaty-whats-the-best-natural-fibre-replacement-mattress/" title="Emma" data-wpil-keyword-link="linked">Emma</a> hybrid mattress to see why this may be.<img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Emma-hybrid-mattress-review-and-comparison-John-Ryan.jpg" alt="" />Image from: www.emma-mattress.co.uk/emma-hybrid-mattress-1Emma Mattress Foam Specifications:The Emma hybrid mattress uses a mix of proprietary memory style foams, support foams and some micro springs along with a polyester cover.The issue we have with all mattress manufacturers is they don't provide the density or depth of their memory foams in mattresses. This makes it really difficult for you the consumer to both compare and work out the suitability of each mattress. The density of foams helps you assess the firmness of foam so without knowing whether this is 60kg or 80kg you can't really tell how the mattress is going to feel. Likewise, if you don't know how deep each layer is it's tricky to work out the robustness or feel of this foam. A 7.5cm layer will have more benefit than a 2cm layer for the example given compression rates.Emma Hybrid One Sided Mattress:The Emma Hybrid is also <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/the-no-turn-mattress-scam/">one sided meaning you cannot turn over the mattress. </a>This leads to issues of faster settlement in a one sided mattress as one side is getting all the wear and tear. Memory foam is notorious at compressing and settling really quickly which is why rotating it monthly is key. Ideally, a two-sided mattress should always be chosen to avoid this drawback. This affects 99% of all boxed and rolled mattresses.High end pocket springs cannot be crushed and rolled meaning these boxed mattresses are all reliant on foams and micro springs, which in turn leads them to be a one sided mattress. So whilst they're really convenient it does limit your mattress choices and quality options significantly.https://youtu.be/D_0ulWzrVeMEmma Micro Springs: That brings us onto <a href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/what-are-hd-or-micro-springs/">Micro or HD springs found in the Emma Hybrid mattress</a>. There's a current fad to add layers of micro springs to mattresses. Mainly to increase the <a title="spring" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-spring-mattress-guide/">spring</a> count which a number of retailers are using to compete for customer attention. However, there is really no benefit to these springs. The reason being is that they fully compress so quickly which renders them uselsss. They are too small a spring to really hold any value in comparison to a full <a title="size" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/mattress-sizes/">size</a> <a title="pocket spring" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-springs/">pocket spring</a>. They do allow a mattress to be rolled up though which is maybe why they are used.<img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Micro-springs-or-HD-springs-nearly-always-synthetic-spun-bond-700x138.png" alt="" />Alternatives to the Emma Mattress:If you're looking for a softer feel yet supportive mattress model without the heat or one sided issues then take a look at our <a title="Origins Comfort" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/product/origins-comfort-1000/">Origins Comfort</a> 1000 mattress. This is a 2 sided hand made pocket <a title="spring" href="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/understanding-beds/pocket-<a class=">spring</a> mattress. It has a softer feel in the top upholstery layers and features 1000 medium 1.4 gauge steel pocket springs in a spunbond case. It has 1250GSM of fibres such as polyester and soft white fibre. <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Origins-comfort-side-panel.jpg" alt="" /> A secondary benefit is also the depth of our mattress. The Origins Comfort mattress is 30cm deep that's 5cm deeper than the Emma mattress. Meaning there's significantly more bang for your buck which helps reduce settlement. You can and should turn the Origins Comfort each month to help far extend its life when compared to a memory foam one sided mattress. <img src="https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Origins-Comfort-1000_circle-min.png" alt="" />Origins Comfort 10001:750GSM VERY SOFT POLYESTER2:500GSM POLYESTER PAD3:ONE INCH FOAM INSULATOR LAYER4:1000 SPUN BOND POCKET SPRINGSTOTAL:1250GSMDEPTH: 30-33CMIf you need any more help please let us know for more tailored guidance.You can contact us on 0161 437 4419 or info@johnryanbydesign.co.ukSleep well! John & Ryan

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