Mattress comparisons – How to

A mattress comparison is a method of pitching one or more mattresses up against the other to see which one offers a better product for a similar price. This does not say that one mattress is more ‘comfortable’ than the other for the end user but it should be the initial task of whittling down the choice from 4000 or so mattress models to about ten and then to your final three. Let us guide you with how to effectively compare mattresses.

You do not even have to leave the comfort of your armchair to buy a mattress. These days with the awesome power of the internet this can be done in a few hours at home. Once you grasp the principle of comparisons it actually becomes quite an enjoyable experience!

Origins reflex0012 3Disclaimer:
This section is based on real life examples and we are using Dreams, Bensons for Beds, John Lewis and Furniture Village as the retailers to realistically demonstrate how to compile a mattress comparison. In the following example, we make no suggestion that there is anything wrong whatsoever with any of these retailers or manufacturers mentioned.

 

Step 1. Decide on a budget

What is the most you will pay for your dream mattress? How much should you spend is discussed in detail here. For this example, we have set our budget at £1500. This is no small amount (but not an excessive amount either) but we know that this should get you a very well made, and well-constructed mattress.

Step 2. Select three or four retailers

We are initially going to look at Dreams / Bensons /Furniture Village / John Lewis to see what they have to offer for a budget of around £1500. This will of course just be your starting point and no doubt further on you will be looking at other retailers to see if what you eventually find can be bettered. More on this later.

Step 3. Start compiling your notes

The form below is a much-simplified version of what we ourselves use when looking at products from various manufacturers. It will tell you at a glance all the information you need to know and to whom to refer back to for more detail.

The point of this valuable exercise is to quickly and effortlessly give you a starting point to show you what is actually out there for the price you are willing to pay. You may find that you don’t need to spend £1500 or conversely, you may find that what you see does not meet your requirement and you may have to up your ante!

Calico medium

Remember, This is just the starting point so jot down the first ten products that fit into your budget trying to keep your choices relatively similar in price. This is to make you aware of what a particular budget can get you.

For the sake of this example we have found our John Ryan Artisan Luxury Kingsize Mattress retailing at £1525 (Of course we have!) and we want to see if there is anything similar out there to compare it against – let us get Started.
[All prices correct as of 29/5/2013 – all models are Kingsize]

RetailerModelSpringComponentsPriceNotes
John RyanArtisan Luxury1476 CalicoWool, Cotton & Horsehair15252 Sided
DreamsResplendent2000Memory foam 7.5cm Pillow top14991 Sided
DreamsLincoln3500Poly Cotton, Wool & Cashmere14292 Sided
BensonsClaremont2400Includes Wool and Cotton1329?
John LewisAngora Box Top6000Wool, Hemp, Cotton & Angora£1500*1 Sided
John LewisVi-Spring Hanbury1400 CalicoWool, Cotton & Horsehair15002 Sided
Furniture VillageVi-Spring Beadstead Realm1326 CalicoWool, Cotton and Bamboo14772 Sided
Furniture VillageVi-Spring Baronet Superb1326 CalicoWool, Cotton & Horsehair14062 Sided

*No actual price given on JL site: States this model is available between £1400 – £1600.

Step 4. Springs and upholstery comparison

So now you know what £1500 or so can get you – you need to remove about four or five models that may not be worth considering further, and itemise the remaining models as much as you can about the two most important factors springs and upholstery.

Why did we remove the models we did?
Dreams Resplendent: Memory foam mattress – Not comparable to the others in the selection.
Bensons Claremont: Inferior by comparison
Dreams Lincoln: Inferior by comparison.

John Lewis Angora: One Sided – Not comparable to the others in the selection.

ModelDetails
John Ryan Artisan Luxury1476 Calico Springs.  500 gsm Wool / 1200 gsm Horsetail / 500 gsm Wool / 1200 gsm Horsehair / 1200 gsm Wool and Cotton. = Combined Upholstery Weight: 4600 gsm. 2 Rows Hand Side Stitched
John Lewis - Vi- Spring Hanbury1400 Calico Springs. Wool / Cotton / Horsehair - gsm Weights Unknown - Will have to contact retailer. Combined Upholstery Weight: Unknown. Will have to contact Retailer. 2 Rows Hand Side Stitched.
Vi-Spring - Bedstead Realm1326 calico Springs. Wool spring protector pad (assume 500 gsm) / 1,350 gsm  wool and cotton / 300 gsm wool /  200 gsm bamboo / 900 gsm wool and cotton. = Combined Upholstery Weight: 3250 gsm. 2 Rows Hand Side Stitched.
Vi-Spring - Baronet Superb1326 Calico Springs. Horsehair (No weight - assume 1200 gsm) / 1000 gsm wool and cotton / 1200 gsm wool and cotton. = Combined Upholstery Weight: 3400 gsm. 2 Rows Hand Side Stitched.

Step 5. Examine the detail of the mattress

We now have four models all between £1400 – £1500. What we have to do now is to examine the Intrinsic Detail of the upholstery. The springs themselves are so similar (like for like)  it does not become a consideration. The difference in spring counts are also so nominal at 150 actual pockets it will not affect the user in any shape or form.

John Ryan Fusion 3 Mattress 6

We can see from all the descriptions above that they all contain a similar degree of upholstery component: namely wool / cotton / horsetail and horsehair. This is what you would expect to find in mattresses retailing for this price. No polyester and no foams in any disguise whatsoever.

We can also see that the combined upholstery weights differ between 3250 GSM and 4600 GSM.  A difference of quite a substantial 1350 GSM. There is also a model with an unknown quantity of upholstery weight! This requires further information from the retailer – it may be that this upholstery weight will come in greater than 4600 GSM or it may turn out that it is less than 3250 GSM, in which case you will be able to discard that model also from your considerations.

Summary

All we are looking at now is the upholstery everything between the spring unit and the fabric on top of the mattress. As of now, all you know about the above mattresses are that they contain similar components. You need to understand which components are considered ‘good’ and which are considered ‘less than good’. You can only do this if you know what’s what. We have created a Vi-spring comparison article to give you an idea of similar feels between our range and theirs.

The following post on mattress upholstery will break down the upholstery elements contained in the mattresses above to show you that once you know the basics of upholstery layers it becomes an incredibly easy task to look at a mattress and decide whether it is worth investigating further.  Need help with comparing mattresses?  Get in touch with us on 0161 945 3757 for tailored recommendations.

 

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  • Robert says:

    Not sure where to post my comment, as there are various places to post, but I thought that this would be a good place to post as I am trying to compare your double mattresses range.

    Point One. Would you be able to put up a table on your website that lists the differences between your matresses. I will send you an excel table that I have created listing what I think are the main differences. It makes it easier to compare mattresses.
    Hi Robert. Very good point. We are still using an old version of WordPress (currently being updated) that does not support Excel but can be easily adapted into some sort of table. Will start work on this very shortly.

    Point two. As I believe that natural materials are the healthier option, I am looking at your Artisan Range. Unless you tell me that synthetic causes less allergies than natural materials?
    This is a quality v budget dilemma. Synthetic materials – namely polyester – are a cheap method of providing an acceptable comfort layer. Wool and Wool Cotton blend, on the other hand being the most used natural element of primary comfort layer can be deemed to be a quality component but does come at a price.

    Point three. I am 5 foot 6 and weigh about 60 Kg, which is around 9 or 10 stone. I tend to move around a lot on the bed. On this basis I think 1000 springs is fine for me as I am a very light person. I am looking at your Calico springs which are around 1360 which should be more than fine for my weight right?
    Right indeed. Rather than spending your money on the additional support which you clearly do not need or require, any additional monies should be spent on more comfort layers. However, do take a balanced view of upholstery contained within the mattress and separate upholstery that can be well maintained such as a topper / toppers to give you a perfect level of comfort. Read this post here.

    Point Four. With regards to the Calico, the reason I am looking at Calico is lifespan – If I have understood correctly, Calico are not necessarily more comfortable but the springs will last longer and I want to get the maximum lifespan out of my bed. Have I understood correctly?
    Not really. Calico is a more flexible material than spunbond. Therefore the movement of each individual spring will / should conform to the movements you make during the night. The actual wire used within a calico unit and a spunbond unit can be practically identical – the same diameter and the same gauge and the same number of turns – but the casing material really does make a difference to the overall feel.

    The crucial factor to take into account is the correct gauge (thickness of wire) for each individuals bodyweight. Too thin a wire (low gauge wire – 1.28mm for example) and a heavy person for example will just compress it beyond it’s capability. Too thick a wire (1.50mm – 1.60mm) and a light person will not be getting the benefits of a movable unit. The springs do have to have an element of movement in order to work properly.

    Point Five. Your artisan Natural and upwards range have a 10 year guarantee. Would you be able to tell me what the expected lifespan of natural and upwards mattresses will be as I want to buy something that will last as long as possible.
    All guarantees (ours included) are for defective components. It is impossible to guarantee against lifespan. If you choose to sleep directly on the mattress without any form of protection, or allow children to use the mattress as a trampoline and so forth, then obviously you have to take responsibility of neglect. However, if a spring pokes through the fabric as an example then this will be reasonable justification to use the guarantee.

    Lifespan of a mattress is how you as a customer choose to look after the product you have purchased. If you are not prepared to turn and rotate, use adequate toppers and protection, clean, air and generally maintain the product then obviously it will not last as long as it could do. A mattress life is deemed to be seven years and after that a replacement should be looked for. Using our ten year guarantee as an example means that the chance of a spring poking through the mattress is so unlikely to happen we can be 99.9% sure that even if you choose to keep the mattress after the seven year period, a defect such as this will not occur.

    Point Six. What is the difference between the Artisan models from Natural upwards as I cannot work out whether the Artisan bespoke 4 is better than the natural for example. I can see the differences in materials between the above two mattresses, but I cannot work out what difference it makes. Is the bespoke 4 going to last longer, is it softer – why would one choose the bespoke 4 over the natural to use those two mattresses as an example. They are identical except for the natural materials used in the layers so if you like me and don’t know anything about materials, I cannot see how to compare them especially as the natural as a GSM of 3950 and the bespoke has a lower GSM of 3600.
    The difference is as Point Two: Quality v Budget. The dearer the mattress, the more natural upholstery will / should be contained. Conversely, the cheaper the mattress the more synthetic material will be contained. Your question is alluding to which is better? and of course depends on numerous variables such as budget, weight and so forth. The Naturals – and even our Artisan 1500 are exceptional products for the price asked. If your budget can stretch a little further, then some polyester elements within these mattresses will be decreased as the price bands increase. Will the comfort levels increase? Not significantly is the real answer. Synthetic materials can have a similar overall feel to natural materials and therefore it is down to you as to whether you want to sleep on a synthetic product or a natural product – and ultimately, how much do you want to pay for this.

    Point Seven. My problems with my back and neck are probably more work related, which I need to sort out, but would this make any difference in my choice of artisan bed. My problem is mostly to do with sitting at the computer too much.
    The right mattress for you will be the one that is right for your bodyweight. 10st is a very light bodyweight and has it’s own set of problems as the other extreme of say 20st. Our mattresses are well upholstered and this when all contained and sewn up will cause the finished product to be firmer (by your perception) than a mattress with minimal upholstery. Our Artisan Bespoke for example has an upholstery content of 5100gsm and taking your weight into consideration may be more product than your needs require – even when utlising the ‘Soft’ spring at 1.28mm. However, you mention your back problems which may benefit from the slightly increased support you personally would feel particularly if complemented by a cushioning topper. This question is again complicated to answer as it depends on a number of factors.

    Point Eight. As we live in England warmth is a factor, although a blanket is cheap, but it would be interesting to know whether some mattresses are warmer than others as this would reduce my electric blanket bill. Although I don’t want to be sweating in a hot summer either.
    Not really. Although Foams and Polyesters are deemed to be warmer (to some people) than natural materials it all depends on personal tolerance of cold and heat as well as room conditions, bedding etc. This is a personal and individual aspect that no mattress will be able to solve. Common sense will be the judge on this one – too warm – reduce your bedding. Too cold – increase your bedding.

    Point Nine. Very important. The PAF. Pet Approval Factor. I assume that the more comfortable the bed is for the human, the more comfortable the bed is for the cat. If you have cats, you will understand the importance of the PAF.
    Personally, I do not think animals should be in the same bed as you.

    Point Ten. I want to buy a divan base as well, but when I move I want to buy a solid wooden bed and put the Artisan mattress on the wooden bed. Would this be a problem?
    Read this post and associated comments on slatted bases here.

    Point Eleven. Flame Retardant Chemicals. Are the Artisan mattresses free of flame retardant chemicals as I don’t think that spraying your bed with chemicals is very healthy!
    No. All mattress fabrics used are flame retardant by law.

    Point Twelve. What would you recommend as a mattress protector (Natural) to go with the bed. Pillows as well if you know about pillows, although I appreciate that this point is not really part of your business. I am intending to use the mattress protector to protect the mattress but also to increase the GSM Factor so as to make the bed as comfortable as possible without having to buy an even higher GSM Factor mattress.
    This becomes personal preference. Have a look at the Pillow and Duvet Warehouse site. The toppers and protection post and associated comments will also prove to be beneficial in your choice.

    Based on the comparisons, I am leaning towards Artisan Naturals, bespoke 04 or Luxury as the Luxury is 100% Natural, the bespoke o4 does not have polyester in it which the Natural does which I have just worked out is the difference between the two mattresses. Would the Luxury last longer than the natural?
    This is addressed in Point Six. The ultimate advice to a mattress lasting longer is to look after it. I’m glad to see you are seriously looking at toppers as a contribution to the mattress as a whole – You will be so glad you did.

    Thank you for any advice offered. I will send the excel spreadsheet to your email address and you can check and see if I have compared everything correctly.
    Robert.

    Thanks Robert for all of these questions. I enjoyed answering this one and no doubt it will help a lot more people.
    On a secondary note with regards to your bodyweight, it may be wise to look at our sister site here which specialises in foam and latex mattresses – a product that may be more forgiving for people like you of a very light bodyweight. Please keep in touch. John and Ryan.

  • Adam Hinchliffe says:

    What is the difference between a orthopaedic mattress and 1000 pocket sprung mattress?

    I am 16st and have a miracoil mattress which i’ve only had 12 months and the springs have already come through and I wake up in agony. I sleep with my wife and she’s about 10st and also suffers with bad back pain?

    Any help would be appreciated.
    Thanks for your website it is very helpful.

    Hi Adam. Orthopaedic usually refers to a firm mattress of an open coil construction. Your Miracoil is an open coil mattress of sorts (known as continuous spring). These form the lower end of the price range. Read this post here which explains in detail all about pocket springs.

    Finally Adam. Your budget will influence the mattress you are likely to get. Read this post in order to understand what can be bought for a particular budget. Hope this helps. John and Ryan.

  • Ross says:

    I need to adapt your mattress comparison idea a little, and would value your help in getting started.

    We recently moved to the UK and currently have a Dreamwool Sanctuary mattress (http://www.dreamwool.com/sanctuary-mattress/) from New Zealand (on sprung slats) which we love. It’s now 10 years old, so we plan to make it the guest bed and buy ourselves a new mattress which hopefully is very similar to the present one. The list price in NZ is equal to £1750. We haven’t been in the UK long enough to know how to recognise the equivalent mattress here, and that’s the help I need.

    The mattress: It’s the equivalent of a UK king size, with 1150 pocket springs (each in fabric pockets sewn to one another). We have the spring option called ‘soft’, but I don’t know exactly what that means in terms of spring specification. A firm steel band around the edge provides edge support. The mattress has a 5cm thick latex comfort layer on top (one-sided), and a wool topper. Some of this I know because I unzipped the sidewall of my current mattress.

    The people: We are 12 st and 9 st. My wife has a flexible spine and finds that she sinks into the latex layer very comfortably, but the springs still provide great support. This means she can sleep on her side with a straight spine.

    Progress so far: We’ve been into 6 different shops, with an open mind on what we would try, and not found a mattress that feels as soft on top as ours (ours has not got soft with age – on a recent trip back to NZ we went to the showroom there and lay on a new one of the same model – it felt the same as our 10-year-old one). We could in theory get another freighted from NZ but the shipping is around £500-700! I’m sure we can find something similar here, but I don’t know how to get a good list of mattresses to compare.

    So, my budget is up to £1750 (but I’d happily spend less). I’d like something of similar quality and comfort to the Dreamwool Sanctuary described above.

    Can you provide suggestions on how to start?

    Thanks for putting so much information online.

    Hi Ross, I’ve had a look at the link you sent but as always the description and details of the bed mean making a comparison is incredibly difficult. We do have a similar mattress in our John Ryan Contemporary Fusion range. The fusion zero. That said this is a medium mattress rather than a soft mattress. I believe the wool topper you’ve mentioned provides this soft cushioning on top.

    I will start with the latex layer which is adhered to the pocket sprung layer meaning you can’t turn the core mattress, this is typical of these kinds of constructions and actually necessary! We have a post here on John Ryan Contemporary, our sister site, on the one sided mattress. Latex is a fantastic material and really durable, hence your bed is still performing well. Our fusion comes with a removable seperate topper, whereas yours has wool, we have another latex layer. This means you can fully turn and rotate the topper, since the core is one sided. Our mattress differs to the dreamwool sanctuary as you get 10cm of latex not 5cm. To get the super soft top layer I would actually recommend you source a wool topper seperately to tweak the bed further, given your budget and the price of the Fusion this is well within your budget. We have a post on toppers here which discusses tweaking your bed.

    I would advise though that our nearest comparitor is the fusion zero and given you weights would provide the sink followed by support you are accustomed to. I hope that helps, any questions please get in touch. Lee (https://johnryanbydesign.co.uk)

  • Ross says:

    Hi Lee
    Thanks for your response; I appreciate your time and effort.
    The model you mention (fusion zero) sounds firmer than the one we have.
    The softness I refer to is not in our wool topper, because it still feels like that when I lie on the bed without the topper. We can sleep on our sides and sink into the mattress so that our spines are straight, while feeling supported.
    Do you make something else that would provide a similar feel to what we have?
    Do you know if other manufacturers make a mattress that might be similar to what we have?
    Many thanks,
    Ross

    Hi Ross, you’re probably right that it is firmer. We don’t have a softer version of this as to be honest, there hasnt been a market for one. That said you may have stumbled across a niche for one! Most people that want a soft but supportive latex mattress opt for the Fusion 1 or Fusion 3. Thsi is primarily because its a fully turnable solid core latex mattress. It’s personal preference whether you want a spring unit or solid core latex.

    One of the benefits is that a solid core can be turned and latex itself is incredibly robust and durable. A pocket sprung latex topped mattress can’t be fully turned. A solid core naturally accommodates two different weighted sleepers and gives enough sink before providing support. I sometimes explain the benefit to customers that its one solid piece of high grade latex so there are less components to ever go wrong. No high quality mattress should however fail but sometimes the analogy of it only having one quality component helps people who maybe haven’t thought of a solid core latex mattress. They are very rare to find on the high street, some manufactures will promote the pocket sprung kind as it means they can slip in the most meagre latex layers in thus saving money whilst still commanding a high price tag. I do feel the public is missing out by not having access to high quality solid latex core mattresses, they are frequently used in Sweden and Germany as the standard bench mark for quality pressure reliving mattresses.

    I can however understand why you want to replicate what you’ve already had as its familiar which does make sense. If you are certain you want a soft pocket sprung unit I would advise choosing a soft pocket sprung base, like maybe a John Ryan Origins Comfort, our softest mattress and then pairing it with a medium Latex topper like our John Ryan Contemporary range. This would give you soft but supportive. It would be a some what bespoke offering but think it may get you closer to the pocket sprung bed you’re familiar with. Lee (John Ryan Contemporary)

  • Robert says:

    Many thanks for your helpful comments above and emails. I have decided to go for the Artisan Bespoke 004 – Double. The only problem I am having is deciding whether to go for the soft tension or medium tension. When I tested the Vi springs beds at John Lewis, I found the soft did not feel supportive and I especially did not like the way the side of the bed had no support, so it felt like I was going to roll off the bed as the sides of the mattresses slumped so much. But I do want to achieve that feeling of sleeping on a cloud. But on the other hand most people say a soft mattress is not good for your back. So I am a bit eeny meeny miny mo at the moment!

    I am intending to go back for another trial, but try other beds that are soft and medium so that I can determine whether I should be buying a soft bespoke 4 or a medium tension bespoke 4.

    Hi Robert. Before ordering please speak to any member of our support team. The right support for your bodyweight is crucial so please just don’t guess. The ‘Soft’ you tried on the VS mattress does not give an attributed ‘spring gauge ‘ our soft spring for example is in the region of 1.28mm. Also, thought has to be given to the upholstery layers used as well. A lot of upholstery when compacted and sewn up to be contained within the mattress will have an effect on the overall mattress tension. All these things have to be taken into consideration to come to the right product choice.

    You make a good observation about the edge support on Vi Spring mattresses. Vi Spring manufacture their mattresses without an edge support other than Hand Side Stitching. This removal gives the mattress an equal level of support across the entire sleep area – however, it does give you that roll off feeling you have experienced. This is not a problem when the mattress is either Superking or bigger but when the sleep space of two adults is minimised as on Double or King size beds it can be problematic.

    The addition of an edge support rod edge may make the mattress tension slightly firmer on the perimeter but the pros of this far outweigh the cons.

    The sleeping on a cloud level of comfort is difficult to achieve within the mattress alone. Is this cloud like comfort going to be obtained by a soft spring which may not be supportive enough for your bodyweight or is it going to be achieved by the use of very soft upholstery layers – such as all wool as in the Vi Spring Coronet for example?

    Extra comfort should be obtained by use of separate topper(s) Read Here. Once you start meddling with the support elements sooner or later when settlement occurs things can go wrong – becomes too soft! A mattress can be adapted to be softer (Toppers) but nothing can be added to make a mattress firmer. Hope this helps Robert and as always feel free to speak to anyone at the office for additional advice. John and Ryan.

  • Stef says:

    Even after using such comparison methods, the retailer still confuses the matter to suit their agenda. For instance, i put an order in for the hypnos althorpe mattress which hypnos states is the exactly the same as the hypnos ortho wool. The difference being that the ortho wool is 140 cheaper and the althorpe is made specifically for the retailer! The retailer denies this entirely saying that the althorpe is superior. What would you do in this instance? I have not taken delivery yet. I guess company integrity is paramount

    Hi Stef. I’m so glad you have pointed this out – if only to prove our points above.
    The Hypnos Althorp and Hypnos Orthos Wool (by given specification) are not the same – BUT – the differences (however small) are extremely hard to find.
    For instance, The Hypnos Althorp say that the fabric is “Bamboo Infused” (!) The Hypnos Orthos Wool fabric is “Silver Infused) .. Both use the 6 turn ReActive springs – but apart from this no precise breakdown of upholstery is given.

    The Hypnos Althorp states that it contains “Natural Fillings” – “British Lambs Wool, Cotton”
    The Hypnos Orthos Wool states that it contains “Wool and eOlus™ ”

    eOlus is a recyclable product made from plastic bottles (not sure of precise mix of this product) into an upholstery component. If this is in The Althorp then it is not a mattress with “Natural Fillings”. Also, with The Orthos Wool the (so called) specification states quite categorically .. “Upholstered with naturally soft and breathable layers of Wool and eOlus™ sustainable fibre, which help regulate body temperature. “. It does not say “contains ..” so you can take it as read that these are the only upholstery components included. eOlus (or any polyester / plastic based material is, in my opinion the cheaper component of the two and therefore I would imagine that the wool content by GSM would be considerably less.

    So, what to do. Firstly I would question Hypnos again to see who is telling the truth. If Hypnos (as the manufacturer) say that these two are exactly the same then the specification differences need addressing. What you need is a breakdown of upholstery used in both these mattresses by GSM (Grams per Square Metre) in order to see if the extra £140 for The Althorp is warranted.

    Please let me know how you get on with this Stef. John and Ryan.

    Submitted on 2014/08/28 at 22:22
    John and Ryan
    By way of an update from Hypnos;

    Dear Stef

    Thank you for contacting Hypnos,
    the Althorpe model is made exclusively for
    [This name removed – JR], so I would recommend contacting the store directly for confirmation.
    Kind Regards
    [This name removed – JR]

    I have also spoken to the retailer who states they have challenged Hypnos who say …[This section removed – JR]. All in all, very [[This word removed – JR] confusing and damaging towards consumer confidence and satisfaction.

    Hi again Stef. Sorry about the edits but nevertheless, your frustration shines through.

    I really can’t say anything more. Your one comment above puts in a nutshell the entire contents of this site. When I started out as Mobilemattressman (those were the days..), I found a company that could make me mattresses that I could sell for £100. That chap showed me precisely the differences between that particular model and a comparison mattress retailing in a well known showroom for over three times the price. Once I knew what to look for … Well, here we are today. This has been happening for … phew …. flippin’ ages. 4000 plus mattress models. How on earth can there be so many mattresses for so few combinations (of any value!) of materials?

    Is the Althorp (sic) the exact same mattress as The Orthos Wool? (The two varying specs above say otherwise). If similar – How similar? The wrong thing about this dilemma is that you don’t know which one is worth the price asked. If the Althorpe is all natural and The Orthos includes man made fibre – presuming eOlus is .. then the weighing up of ‘value of components as a whole’ should be taken into account to see if they are actually worth the difference in price. As I said in the previous comment, the recyclable product may not be as natural as wool (or words to that effect!) but if the wool content is negligible, it would not perform better than a substantial layer of eOlus. Do you see where I’m going with this? (I have had cause to say this so many times throughout this site, it’s probably become a generic google searchword ) .. “You need to know the GSM of each component in order to get the best mix you can”.
    Why can’t Hypnos give you the build specification of their Orthos Wool mattress? and why can’t (XXX) give you the build specification of theirs? I personally have a gut feeling towards siding with the retailer’s response. From the basic specs above my instinct would be to examine The Althorpe further.

    Interesting comment Stef – I’m really intrigued to see how this pans out. John and Ryan.

    Submitted on 2014/09/07 at 11:19
    John and ryan

    I today took delivery of my hypnos ‘althorpe’ mattress and despite protestations from the retailer, their own delivery advice slip states in brackets next to althorpe (hypnos wool). Needless to say I am angry about this.

    What would you do in this instance. It appears there is no longer any integrity with retailers!
    Regards
    steff

    Hi again Stef. Once again, I really do not know what to say. You have instantly pointed the finger at the retailer and yet we do not know if the mattress you have received is comparably better and therefore worth the additional £140 (or so). The problem you are facing is not the mattress (per se – That’s yer actual French) it’s the fact that a manufacturer of both mattresses will not tell you what you want / need to know to make an informed and educated opinion. NOT, base your opinion on one word against another. It would be relatively different if the two mattresses you decide upon were from different manufacturers – obviously the ‘mine is better than yours’ argument would rightly be expected – Although, even then, if you knew the gsm by component you would know for yourself who was telling the truth.

    Personally, I think the buck stops with Hypnos. Only they will know whether it’s an Orthos Wool or an Althorp. Do you ever see them in the same room together?

    John and Ryan.

  • James says:

    Hi
    I’m interested in your artisan naturals kingsize mattress for £1085 . I’m 5’8″ and 13 stone and prefer to sleep on my back but also sleep on my front and side. Which firmness would you recommend? I tried a few vispring mattresses in john lewis and quite liked firm but not sure if this is the best choice in the long run hence asking your advice.
    I would like to pair the mattress with the matching base for £430 – is it possible to have that in a different colour (dark grey)? The white colour would look out of place and I don’t like valances.
    Thanks
    James

    Hi James. First of all, there is no indication on the spring gauges Vi Spring use as Soft , Med or Firm. Their website and details give out a gauge – for example The Regal Superb is 1.28mm wire, however, this does not indicate whether it is Soft, Med, Firm.

    Taking into account your bodyweight, I would personally opt for a medium spring tension in The Artisan Naturals range.

    Hope this helps James. John and Ryan

  • Gerard Rolfe says:

    Hi Guys.

    I’ve been engrossed reading the great advice and in depth information you take time and trouble to publish on the various aspects and build of mattresses. At present I’m in Russia and had a recent trip to a furniture outlet in the nearest big city. (In the not too distant future – 4 months or so I;ll need a superkingsize bed and mattress for my Russian house. along with other furniture). In the ‘megastore’ was a Hilders and Anders department selling among others beds manufactured by ‘Jensen”. My partner and I duly layed on a variety of king and superkingsize plus automated models. All were of a good comfortable standard but we liked the ‘majestic’ kingsize model. I am 78 kilograms and my partner 65 kg.

    The Jensen beds were premium price but heavily discounted and thus appeared to be good value for the standard of quality. However! after reading your in depth articles – especially on the ‘non turn’ one sided matresses I’m not sure this value is truly reflected. Jensen also operates a different spring system to standard ‘pockets’ and they utlise 10,000 plus in this paticular model. We do like natural materials as used in your premium models.

    The conclusion I came to is to ask your advice as I have two choices
    1) buy a good bed in Russia
    2) buy one of your artisan bespoke models and transport it overseas ( I will be sending a container to Russia at sometime in the not too distant future.)

    Could you offer an opinion on the ‘Jensen majestic’ v your Artsan bespoke 002 mattress plus base? much appreciated . Gerry

    Hi Gerry, Jensen are a highly respected manufacturer of quality mattresses, however, they do not disclose, save for the spring count, the details of the fillings used within the Majestic mattress. This makes any direct comparison impossible. In addition to the 2508 calico encased pocket springs, the Artisan Bespoke 002 has 3600g per square metre of natural fillings broken down as follows :- 1200g of Blended British Fleece Wool & Cotton, a hair proof cambric cover, 200g of soft Bamboo, 1200g of pure Horsetail and 1000g of Bonded British Fleece Wool & Cotton. These make the Bespoke 002 excellent value for money, but without knowledge of the freight costs, we could not advise if this is the more prudent purchase in preference to the Jensen in Russia. If you do decide on one of our mattresses, we can deliver to a port of your choice in the UK. I trust that this helps, kind regards Mike.

  • Gerard Rolfe says:

    Hi Mike.

    thanks for the speedy reply:) I did note that Jensen beds were of a good standard but also that they did not give a great deal of in depth specs on their ‘natural fillings’ or their branded latex. This draws me in the direction of your artisan bespoked as I will be taking a container to Russia in the future months. Could you advise on firmness ( 78 kilos and I’m 20cm taller than my partner 65kilos) for your 002 model? thanks for the delivery info also. Much appreciated you make purchasing beds an almost easy task !


    Hi Gerry, given your body weights, a medium spring will provide the support you need whilst the natural fillings will provide the comfort element of the mattress. Just to make you aware that the 30 day “love it or return it” guarantee does not apply to mattresses which are exported out of the UK. If you still wish to proceed, please place your order on the site where the options for bases also appear. Regards Mike.

  • Jenny says:

    Hi John /Ryan
    I have spoken to Marie via telephone and she has advised that your Artisan Luxury zip link mattresses with one soft and the other medium tension may be suitable for us. This seems to be good advice but unfortunately a web search on the Artisan Luxury has shown a report on from someone who bought a soft Artisan Luxury mattress but found it to be so unsatisfactory for her that the mattress was returned.
    She mentioned that the mattress made a rustling sound and that the tufting was so pronounced that it caused her pain even when using two mattress toppers. Would you like to comment please as I also would be unable to tolerate undue pressure from tufts. Maybe you could recommend another zip link mattress. Thank You. Jenny


    Hi Jenny, We would confirm Marie’s recommendation for you and would comment that some people are more susceptible to feeling the tufts. Clearly, you or anyone else reading her report will be unaware of her body weight and any other specific requirement she had when placing her order. We would always recommend that you use a mattress protector and this alone should be sufficient to negate the feel of the tufts. If you are still unsure regarding our recommendation, please contact our office to discuss further. Regards Mike.

  • Paula says:

    Hi,
    Your website is really informative, thank you!
    I need a new king size mattress, I have had low back pain for a couple of years , very stiff on getting out of bed. My current mattress is a 10 yr old orthopaedic open coil kingsize, which I sleep on alone. I recently bought a new guest bedroom mattress in a hurry, an inexpensive pocket sprung firm ( healthopaedic by Highgate beds) , and after sleeping on this for a couple of nights my back is so much better that I feel like an idiot for not realising sooner!
    I now want to buy a better quality pocket sprung kingsize mattress for me. I am 165cm tall, and weigh 67kg. I think I want a firm feeling ( but not hard) mattress with good cushioning( have used a 3cm memory foam topper for a year or so).
    I have looked in local chain and independent shops (do not live close to a furniture village or John Lewis), the only mattress I have found which looked well made and felt comfortable is a Dreamworks Portobello Supreme, which has 2400 springs (presumably in 2 layers) , cotton and cashmere, hand stitched sides etc. However they couldn’t tell me a lot more in the shop about it, and their website doesn’t detail the construction.it is on sale for £750. Have you any opinions about how this would compare to either your Artisan 1500 or Artisan Naturals, which are the two I am considering on your site?
    Many thanks
    Paula

    Hi Paula, Unfortunately I can find no discernable information about the portobello mattress or its internal components. Its all very light on detail, for example it doesn’t state anywhere ow much cashmere there is, if its an insulator pad or loose as a comfort layer?! For your weight I’d recommend a medium spring tension and not a firm. Unless you’re pushing 17 stone or you want a punishingly firm sleep medium is more than sufficient. Too firm a bed means your awkwardly lying on top of a mattress and your body has to do all the moulding, sometimes resulting in stiffness or soreness. Ideally the mattress should do the moulding to you.

    The Artisan 1500 and Artisan Naturals are excellent models and I wouldn’t even compare them to the Portobello. I doubt you could get the same components for less than our list price so at £750 in my experience that mattress will contain significantly high levels of synthetic fibre. The difference between the 1500 and Naturals is the percentage of natural fibres. The Artisan 150 has 53% natural fibre and the Artisan Naturals has a whopping 85% natural fibre and calico encased pocket springs – real luxury top end bed territory such as vispring and savoir. I’d advise a medium spring tension in either of these and then decide based on budget whether its the more natural model you prefer. Any further questions please give us a call. Lee

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